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PostPosted: Thu 23 May 2024 4:22 pm 
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Working on my irregular verbs here (future tense for now)
http://nualeargais.ie/foghlaim/irregular.php

In this sound file:
http://nualeargais.ie/foghlaim/future.mp3

it seems that the "bh" in Ní bheirim makes a "w" sound. Shouldn't it make a "v" sound since it's near slender vowels? Thank you.

It occurs at about 18 seconds into the recording.

I really wish the past and present tense sound recordings worked :-(


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PostPosted: Thu 23 May 2024 4:23 pm 
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Also, why does the "d" in Ní déarfaidh make a "y" sound. Shouldn't it make a "d" or "j" sound?


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PostPosted: Thu 23 May 2024 4:25 pm 
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msv133 wrote:
Working on my irregular verbs here (future tense for now)
http://nualeargais.ie/foghlaim/irregular.php

In this sound file:
http://nualeargais.ie/foghlaim/future.mp3

it seems that the "bh" in Ní bheirim makes a "w" sound. Shouldn't it make a "v" sound since it's near slender vowels? Thank you.

It occurs at about 18 seconds into the recording.

I really wish the past and present tense sound recordings worked :-(


It all depends on what dialect you're learning. A native speaker of Cork Irish reads this verb paradigm at https://corkirish.wordpress.com/verb-co ... on/tugaim/ It is a v sound.


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PostPosted: Mon 27 May 2024 1:53 am 
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msv133 wrote:
Working on my irregular verbs here (future tense for now)
http://nualeargais.ie/foghlaim/irregular.php

In this sound file:
http://nualeargais.ie/foghlaim/future.mp3

it seems that the "bh" in Ní bheirim makes a "w" sound. Shouldn't it make a "v" sound since it's near slender vowels? Thank you.

It occurs at about 18 seconds into the recording.

I really wish the past and present tense sound recordings worked :-(


You're right. The recording is wrong. The 'bh' here is slender so it should not be pronounced as a w sound here. In my opinion that speaker's diction is not great. She made a couple of other pronunciation mistakes too.

msv133 wrote:
Also, why does the "d" in Ní déarfaidh make a "y" sound. Shouldn't it make a "d" or "j" sound?


Good question. Here is the pronunciation is correct but the spelling given in the corresponding text is wrong. It should be 'Ní dhéarfaidh', not 'Ní déarfaidh'.


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PostPosted: Mon 27 May 2024 3:10 am 
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Caoilte wrote:
You're right. The recording is wrong. The 'bh' here is slender so it should not be pronounced as a w sound here. In my opinion that speaker's diction is not great. She made a couple of other pronunciation mistakes too.

msv133 wrote:
Also, why does the "d" in Ní déarfaidh make a "y" sound. Shouldn't it make a "d" or "j" sound?


Good question. Here is the pronunciation is correct but the spelling given in the corresponding text is wrong. It should be 'Ní dhéarfaidh', not 'Ní déarfaidh'.


This verb is not lenited. Ní déarfaidh is what is correct - and her pronunciation is wrong. See the grammar wizard on teanglann (enter abair and choose the future tense) for this. The reason this verb is not lenited is that it was once, centuries ago, adéarfaidh.


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