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PostPosted: Mon 21 Aug 2023 1:22 pm 
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Thanks, Tim.


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PostPosted: Mon 21 Aug 2023 4:48 pm 
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tiomluasocein wrote:
Oh my. My pronunciation, if even close, tends to wander around dialects. My explanations are even worse. :LOL: But I'll take a wild stab at it and we can wait for more input from others.

Pearl wrote:
How do you pronounce these words?:
Cuimhní kwiv NEE
Bhfuil vwil ("wil" might be acceptable in singing and fast speech.)
Dhéanamh YAY a niv In Conamara, I've heard YEE a niv.
Orthu OR ha In Conamara, OR ub.
Achainíocha a khai NEE a kha "kh" is like "rough h" with clearing of the throat.
Mbainfear man far Not sure of the accent or the "f"; it could be pronounced like "h": man har. I suspect "man FAR" around the Decies but elsewhere? Wait for others to correct and comment.
Mbeidh may
Chaitheamh KHA hiv


I'll just jump in to say I don't think I'd ever expect a b sound at the end of orthu, but Tim's OR ha seems fine, as would OR huh.

I think it's in the conjugated conditional you tend to get the f pronounced as h, for the future passive I'd personally expect to hear f. But, take that for what it is, an L2 speaker's anecdotal evidence.

By the way, Pearl, you may find this resource more useful for getting pronunciations than the way we try to transcribe them here.


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PostPosted: Mon 21 Aug 2023 7:32 pm 
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Oh my goodness! thanks a lot. I've been trying to find sources for Irish pronunciations and I've only found two, but one of them doesn't really have a lot, so it's kind of like one small source. Thanks, Ade.


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Aug 2023 1:21 am 
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Ade wrote:
tiomluasocein wrote:
Oh my. My pronunciation, if even close, tends to wander around dialects. My explanations are even worse. :LOL: But I'll take a wild stab at it and we can wait for more input from others.

Pearl wrote:
How do you pronounce these words?:
Cuimhní kwiv NEE
Bhfuil vwil ("wil" might be acceptable in singing and fast speech.)
Dhéanamh YAY a niv In Conamara, I've heard YEE a niv.
Orthu OR ha In Conamara, OR ub.
Achainíocha a khai NEE a kha "kh" is like "rough h" with clearing of the throat.
Mbainfear man far Not sure of the accent or the "f"; it could be pronounced like "h": man har. I suspect "man FAR" around the Decies but elsewhere? Wait for others to correct and comment.
Mbeidh may
Chaitheamh KHA hiv


I'll just jump in to say I don't think I'd ever expect a b sound at the end of orthu, but Tim's OR ha seems fine, as would OR huh.

I think it's in the conjugated conditional you tend to get the f pronounced as h, for the future passive I'd personally expect to hear f. But, take that for what it is, an L2 speaker's anecdotal evidence.

By the way, Pearl, you may find this resource more useful for getting pronunciations than the way we try to transcribe them here.


The "b" at the end of "orthu" and other "3rd person plural" prepositions (acu, etc.) seems quite common in Conamara. I apologize for not reading back to which dialect Pearl wanted and where these words fit into the lyrics but I thought maybe having a choice in this way would make it easier to pronounce in some contexts. Thanks for the "f/h" clarification. I didn't check on that either before I posted. :LOL: Getting lazy here . . .


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Aug 2023 1:43 pm 
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I'm back and I have new lyrics:

I don't need promises that won't be kept.
Is there any point in leaving?
My consciousness is blurring.
Is there any point in staying?
Even though, I still wonder if you'll return.


Last edited by Pearl on Thu 24 Aug 2023 11:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Aug 2023 10:01 pm 
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I changed the third sentence into something else. I changed my mind.


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PostPosted: Mon 28 Aug 2023 4:15 am 
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Pearl wrote:
I'm back and I have new lyrics:

I don't need promises that won't be kept.
Is there any point in leaving?
I changed my mind.
Is there any point in staying?
Even though, I still wonder if you'll return.


Hi Pearl, sorry for the slowness. Is this what you want?


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PostPosted: Mon 28 Aug 2023 11:55 am 
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Yes. I don't know why the third sentence says when I changed it. This is what I want:

I don't need promises that won't be kept.
Is there any point in leaving?
My consciousness is blurring.
Is there any point in staying?
Even though, I still wonder if you'll return.


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2023 4:18 am 
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Pearl wrote:
Yes. I don't know why the third sentence says when I changed it. This is what I want:

I don't need promises that won't be kept.
Is there any point in leaving?
My consciousness is blurring.
Is there any point in staying?
Even though, I still wonder if you'll return.


Níl gealltanais ag teastáil uaim nach gcoimhlíonfar.
An bhfuil aon chúis le fágáil?
Tá m'aigne as fócas.
An bhfuil aon chúis le fanacht?
Agus fós, n'fheadar an bhfillfidh tú.


Let's get some more ideas on this for sure.

Tim


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2023 5:08 am 
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Thank you for your efforts, Tim.


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