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PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2022 1:37 am 
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Hi! I think I have everything straight so far on indirect relative clauses, but I want to be 100% sure; so I thought I’d give a couple of examples that I think are correct, and see if anyone can confirm? :??:

That’s the man: Sin é an fear. I read about him: Léigh mé faoi.

Combined sentence: Sin é an fear ar léigh mé faoi.
(That is the man that I read about.)
The past-tense indirect relative particle “ar” was used, and it would have lenited the following verb, had the verb been lenitible.

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I’m going to a new restaurant: Tá mé ag dul go bialann nua. I read about it: Léigh mé fúithi.

Combined sentence: Tá mé ag dul go bialann nua ar léigh mé fúithi.
(I’m going to a new restaurant that I read about.)
Again the particle “ar” was used for the same reason. And, this time, “fúithi” was used instead of “faoi” because it refers back to the feminine noun “bialann.”

Thank you to anyone who can confirm! :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2022 6:24 pm 
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Rosie_Oleary wrote:
Hi! I think I have everything straight so far on indirect relative clauses, but I want to be 100% sure; so I thought I’d give a couple of examples that I think are correct, and see if anyone can confirm? :??:

That’s the man: Sin é an fear. I read about him: Léigh mé faoi.

Combined sentence: Sin é an fear ar léigh mé faoi.
(That is the man that I read about.)
The past-tense indirect relative particle “ar” was used, and it would have lenited the following verb, had the verb been lenitible.

- - - - - -

I’m going to a new restaurant: Tá mé ag dul go bialann nua. I read about it: Léigh mé fúithi.

Combined sentence: Tá mé ag dul go bialann nua ar léigh mé fúithi.
(I’m going to a new restaurant that I read about.)
Again the particle “ar” was used for the same reason. And, this time, “fúithi” was used instead of “faoi” because it refers back to the feminine noun “bialann.”

Thank you to anyone who can confirm! :D :D :D


I can. ;)

An old fashioned way would be (for both):

... faoinar léigh mé.


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Sep 2022 8:11 pm 
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Go raibh milliúin maith agat, a Labhrás! :D :D :clap: :wave:


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep 2022 9:38 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
Rosie_Oleary wrote:
Hi! I think I have everything straight so far on indirect relative clauses, but I want to be 100% sure; so I thought I’d give a couple of examples that I think are correct, and see if anyone can confirm? :??:

That’s the man: Sin é an fear. I read about him: Léigh mé faoi.

Combined sentence: Sin é an fear ar léigh mé faoi.
(That is the man that I read about.)
The past-tense indirect relative particle “ar” was used, and it would have lenited the following verb, had the verb been lenitible.

- - - - - -

I’m going to a new restaurant: Tá mé ag dul go bialann nua. I read about it: Léigh mé fúithi.

Combined sentence: Tá mé ag dul go bialann nua ar léigh mé fúithi.
(I’m going to a new restaurant that I read about.)
Again the particle “ar” was used for the same reason. And, this time, “fúithi” was used instead of “faoi” because it refers back to the feminine noun “bialann.”

Thank you to anyone who can confirm! :D :D :D


I can. ;)

An old fashioned way would be (for both):

... faoinar léigh mé.


What is the history of this "faoi" (=under) used to mean "about"? Has it always been like that in the North and West? [By the way, the most historical form of the preposition is fa, from which fá fé fí and faoi derive] As far as I'm concerned it is "ar" that should be used here.

sin é fear gur léas air (it feels a bit bare; what about sin é fear gur léas mar gheall air?)
sin é fear ar ar léas (sa nuachtán, i leabhraibh)


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep 2022 3:07 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:

What is the history of this "faoi" (=under) used to mean "about"?


afaik: um -> má -> fá -> faoi


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep 2022 3:59 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:

What is the history of this "faoi" (=under) used to mean "about"?


afaik: um -> má -> fá -> faoi

OK, I didn't know it was from "um".


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