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PostPosted: Tue 13 Sep 2022 8:24 pm 
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Hi! I was wondering if anyone could confirm for me if I have the Ulster pronunciation correct for the breakdown of the irregular verb “faigh”?

I know that “faigh” itself can sound anywhere from (fwāy) to (fye) in Ulster [I tend to pronounce it (fye) myself]. And, I think this is how the rest goes (I’m more sure of some than others):

An bhfuair tú? (un.WOO.er too)
Fuair. / Ní bhfuair. (FOO.er / nee.WOO.er)
——————
An bhfaigheann tú? (un.WĪNE too)
Faighim. / Ní fhaighim. (fīme / nee.ĪME)
——————
An bhfaighidh tú? (un.WEE.too)…as if spelled “bhfuighidh,” I think.
Gheobhaidh. / Ní bhfaighidh. (YŌH.wee / nee.WEE)

Thank you for any help, everyone! :wave:


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Sep 2022 9:40 pm 
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This is what I learnt:

An bhfuair tú? [wəɾ tˠu], [wuəɾ tˠu]
Fuair. / Ní bhfuair. [fwəj / ɲi wəj] or [fuəj, ɲi wuəj] (pronouncing most slender rˈs like "y" is a Gaoth Dobhair feature)
——————
An bhfaghann tú? [ə wæːnˠ tˠu] (as if spelt "aˈ bhfánn tú")
Faghaim, gheibhim. / Ní fhaghaim. [fwæːm, jɛvʲəm] / [ɲi æːm]
——————
An bhfaighidh tú? (un.WEE.too)…as if spelled “bhfuighidh,” I think. -> yes
Gheobhaidh. / Ní bhfaighidh. (YŌH.wee / nee.WEE) -> yes. But be careful, before the personal pronouns (subjects), gheobhaidh is pronounced "yoh" : gheo' mea, gheo' tú, gheo' sea, gheo' sí, etc.

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Sep 2022 10:33 pm 
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Go raibh míle maith agat, a Lughaidh! :D

That’s just what I needed. And extra-thank you for the extra tip about
“Gheobhaidh” being pronounced like “Gheo” before personal pronouns…I didn’t know that. :good:
A couple of quick follow-up questions:

1) To your knowledge, do you know if historically “faigh” maybe used to be “fáigh”?

2) For present tense (“an bhfaigheann” “faighim” “ní fhaighim”), since they’re pronounced as if spelled “an bhfán” “fáim” “ní fháim”, …
and since (I believe) some Ulster speakers pronounce long á like “ah” (but not quite “aw”) instead of “æ”, …
then do you think those would ever also be said like (wahn / fwahm / nee ahm) in Ulster?

Thank you so much again for your help/time! :wave:


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