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PostPosted: Mon 13 Sep 2021 10:46 pm 
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I'm interested in the Irish Gaelic translation for the 1872 Act licensing requirement to display the publican's name over the front door of a pub. I don't know of any such signs in Gaelic, but thought it would make an interesting sign. The English is:

"[name] licensed to sell beer wine and spirits for consumption on or off the premises"

Example of such a sign is here: https://www.geograph.ie/photo/1676526

Thank you for considering this, and I appreciate any comments regarding the history/context of such signs.


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2021 3:07 am 
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This is tentative. I'm sure others will give better versions:

ceadúnas (cead) chun beóir, fíon agus biotáille do dhíol lena gcaitheamh ar/as an áitreabh (áit)


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2021 4:25 am 
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A couple of small changes but this is also tentative. Wait for corrections, more ideas, etc.

[Ainm iomlán] Ceadúnaithe chun beoir fíon agus biotáillí a dhíol lena gcaitheamh ar an áitreabh nó amach as

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2021 10:04 am 
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Tá cead beoir, fion agus biotáillí a dhíol ag [name] anseo.
Is díoltóir ceadúnaithe beorach, fíona agus biotáillí é/í [name].


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2021 4:43 pm 
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I've never once found biotáillí in the plural in Gaelthacht literature. I think the singular has collective force, as indeed fíon does here too.


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Sep 2021 5:37 pm 
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Thank you so much. So of these translations is there a consensus of the best version considering the context of a pub sign?

Also, a personal curiosity... My name is Isaac, which can also be spelled "Iosac" in Irish. Is this anything like Ioan, pronounced YO-an or EE-an? How would you pronounce "Iosac"?


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2021 8:55 am 
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iosac wrote:
Also, a personal curiosity... My name is Isaac, which can also be spelled "Iosac" in Irish. Is this anything like Ioan, pronounced YO-an or EE-an? How would you pronounce "Iosac"?


The name is spelled Íosác in Irish (with accents), pron. /'i:sa:k/


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2021 3:57 pm 
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Thank you all for your help and advice!


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2021 4:41 pm 
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Isaac in any spelling is not a traditional Christian name in Ireland. Michael, Peter, Thomas, Dermot are. If you look back in the 19th century - you will see no-one in the Gaelthacht called Isaac. There is no genuine Irish version of this name. Bible names were generally known in the English form only, even in the Gaelthacht. Peadar Ua Loaghaire's Bible translation finished in 1917, spells this name "Isaac". The version of the Bible done by Maynooth in 1980 used Íosác (it may been picked out of John Heely's sermons of 1797, but was never adopted in 19th century Irish).


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Sep 2021 11:48 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
I've never once found biotáillí in the plural in Gaelthacht literature. I think the singular has collective force, as indeed fíon does here too.


I think you are right and Foclóir also gives the singular so I would go with that as well.


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