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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jul 2021 1:42 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
djwebb2021 wrote:
Labhrás, can you comment on whether the CO has de réir dlí Dé or dhlí Dé? The calcified phrases may not be the same in all dialects, and so they may not have included these exceptions in their recommendations?


I don't know.
It is usually "de réir dhlí X" (X = something definite).

An Foclóir Beag has "in aghaidh dhlí Dé".
https://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fb/peaca

Thank you, Labhrás. I suspected as much.

My impression is that lenition is with the Bracketed Construction. Ar son mhuíntir na hÉireann. But with the Unbracketed Construction: ar son muíntire na hÉireann. There are occasional examples of lenition with the Unbracketed Construction. There is fallaí thí scoile (quoting from memory) in Ua Laoghaire's Mo Sgéal Féin. Although that could be an editor's decision to add lenition there.

In one of his books:
Ba ró ghearr gur sgiúrd sé an dorus isteach chun muíntire an Leasa airís

Naofacht pobail Chorcaí móire Múmhan - is another example where pobail is not lenited.

EDIT: the quote is: ar an gcúinne thiar theas de mhapa na h-Éirean ar fhalla thíghe sgoile


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jul 2021 11:19 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Ade wrote:
Thanks very much for the quick reply, Labhrás.


You all have filled three pages in the meantime :panic:


We've been busy solving all the problems of the world. :computer: :pages:

:darklaugh:

Labhrás wrote:
The most simple examples are names. Names are definite nouns (usually).
So teach Sheáin or teach Fheidhlimidh mhic Daill (Yes, it is definite.)
Functional genitives make no difference:
cistin theach mhac Sheáin. = the kitchen of the house of Seán's son (all nouns lenited because they are all definite and in genitive position)


Ah, I wouldn't have expected that to be the case with names somehow. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. :facepalm:

Labhrás wrote:
(btw: Léaṁ is about Early Modern/Classical Irish.)


I'm a bit old fashioned, it seems I'll have to update my references. :oops:


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jul 2021 11:38 pm 
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Ade wrote:
Ah, I wouldn't have expected that to be the case with names somehow. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. :facepalm:


And placenames, but I think everyone already knew that those were covered.


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