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djwebb2021
 Post subject: gan fím
PostPosted: Mon 03 Jul 2023 4:27 pm 
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In Cnósach Focal o BB there is this (p108):
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Bás gan fím gan suim sa tsaol so

There is no further context. I think fím and suim are meant to rhyme, and this just means "I hope you have a miserable death". Does anyone agree?
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Labhrás
 Post subject: Re: gan fím
PostPosted: Mon 03 Jul 2023 4:48 pm 
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fím = feidhm, b’fhéidir?

gan feidhm gan suim = without use and significance
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djwebb2021
 Post subject: Re: gan fím
PostPosted: Mon 03 Jul 2023 5:01 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
fím = feidhm, b’fhéidir?

gan feidhm gan suim = without use and significance

It could be. Even Brian Ó Cuiv has a "?" after this entry, showing he didn't understand it. It could be "gan feidhm", altered to rhyme with "gan suim".
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tiomluasocein
 Post subject: Re: gan fím
PostPosted: Wed 05 Jul 2023 3:43 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
In Cnósach Focal o BB there is this (p108):
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Bás gan fím gan suim sa tsaol so

There is no further context. I think fím and suim are meant to rhyme, and this just means "I hope you have a miserable death". Does anyone agree?


After a search, I found this. It seems like a pattern sentence for curses. :LOL:
Does this help at all?

A chrui gan scim, gan suim sa tsaol so. (minus seimhiú as it was copied as is)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20521618
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djwebb2021
 Post subject: Re: gan fím
PostPosted: Wed 05 Jul 2023 7:32 pm 
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Tiom, that is a great find. Thank you for that. I did extensive searches myself and didn't turn up that, so I wouldn't have found it without you.
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tiomluasocein
 Post subject: Re: gan fím
PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul 2023 11:10 am 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
Tiom, that is a great find. Thank you for that. I did extensive searches myself and didn't turn up that, so I wouldn't have found it without you.


I guess "scím" is "scéim" set up to rhyme with "suím". Like "fím" might be "feidhm".
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An Lon Dubh
 Post subject: Re: gan fím
PostPosted: Sat 08 Jul 2023 10:42 pm 
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I'm in Corca Dhuibhne at the moment and a good native speaker didn't understand this.

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What is the best village in CD? Ballyferriter?
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