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 Post subject: Re: A Question
PostPosted: Sun 26 Jan 2020 2:25 pm 
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I still don’t have full access to Ó Cuív’s Irish of West Muskerry, but I’ve got Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne by Diarmuid Ó Sé, and that’s what he writes about a-like vowels (thankfully he does use full IPA to describe the sounds as accurately as possible):

Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne, Na gutaí gearra, § 13, p. 21 wrote:
a Guta íseal, liopaí neodrach. Nuair is consain chaola amháin a bhíonn in aice leis bíonn sé timpeall ar Ghuta Cairdineálta 4 [a], nó beagán níos airde, m.sh. g´ar´ɪd´ gairid, at´ ait, f´a feadh. Nuair a bhíonn sé idir consan caol agus consan leathan (pé acu ord) bíonn sé beagán siar [a̠] ó Ghuta Cairdineálta 4, m.sh. f´ar fear, ʃas seas, kat´ɪ caite, gan´ɪv´ gainimh, sdal´ stail. Bíonn sé níos faide siar fós [ä] i ndiaidh consan leathan liopach nó l, m.sh. bal´ɪ baile, mad´ən maidean, far´ɪ faire, lat´ loit. Tá rogha idir cáilíocht thosaigh agus cáilíocht chúil nuair a bhíonn sé idir consan caol agus x i bhfocail mar ʃaxd seacht, t´axd teacht (ach cáilíocht thosaigh in k´r´ax creach de bharr an ). Nuair is consain leathana amháin a bhíonn in aice leis bíonn sé ina ghuta íseal idir Guta Cairdineálta 4 agus Guta Cairdineálta 5. Cáilíocht leath slí eatarthu nó mar sin a bhíonn ag go leor cainteoirí i bhfocail mar mak mac, abɪr´ abair, da dath, ach tá cáilíocht [ɑ̈], timpeall an triú cuid den tslí chun tosaigh ar Ghuta Cairdineálta 5, an-choitianta chomh maith. Nuair a chuirtear faid leis an nguta seo is féidir leis a bheith chun tosaigh go maith, m.sh. san intriacht sd[äː]d stad!

So what he’s saying is that it is [a] or a bit raised [a] (which, fair enough, means very close to [æ]) only in contact with only slender consonants (/g’ar’id’/, /at’/). But when in contact with a broad consonant, it is even further back than [a], namely [a̠], in eg. fear /f’ar/, and it can be even further back [ä] in contact with /x/, eg. teacht /t’axt/ – in those words, acc. to Ó Sé, in Dingle Irish it’s pretty far from [æ]. [a] or even central [ä] seems to be more accurate transcription of the vowel.

Between broad consonants it’s also not really [ɑ], but rather a bit more front vowel, so perhaps [ä̠], [ɑ̟], or [ɑ̈] (only the third given by Ó Sé) is a more precise transcription.

For the long vowel, he gives [ɑː] (timpeall ar Ghuta Cairdineálta 5) and rounded to [ɒː] when next to labial sounds (eg. in bán, or bó bhán transcribed as boː [wɒː]n), some speakers even use here [ɔː] (Bíonn an cháilíocht chruinn seo, ag druidim i dtreo [ɔː], ag roinnt cainteoirí go minic). He notes that between slender consonants more fronted [aː] or [a̠ː] happen eg. in a Sheáin, but always [ɑː] in Meáig.

So, from Gaeilge Chorca Dhuibhne, from what Google let me browse in Ó Cuív’s The Irish of West Muskerry, from Doyle’s and Gussman’s An Ghaeilge, and from Wikipedia vowel chart of Munster Irish, it seems to me that:

Either Munster Irish has its a-like vowels a bit retracted compared to Connacht Irish and doesn’t really use [æ] anywhere (or perhaps only as a rare allophone between two slender consonants), and the typical sound in words like fear, teacht, bean, etc. is rather more central and open [a ~ ä]. And Ó Cuív’s and Doyle’s transcription of the vowel as /a/ when in contact with a slender consonant and /ɑ/ between broad ones is a good phonological approximation (but Ó Sé uses /a/ everywhere, since it is a single phoneme with no minimal pairs between /a/ and /ɑ/). The long /ɑː/ is more retracted than short /ɑ/ and might be rounded next to labial sounds.

Or researchers of Munster Irish can’t hear the vowel [æ] and consistently deny its existence (except for one small remark that [a] in gairid is [a] nó beagán níos airde).


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