Hi all,

I've recently put a website online containing the Würzburg Irish Glosses, written in Old Irish and Latin.

I decided the main interface of the site should be through Irish and I translated the About and Acknowledgements pages yesterday.

If anybody has the time to take a look at these and let me know if there are any obvious errors in my translation, I'd really appreciate it.

Links to the pages:
https://wuerzburg.ie/about.html
https://wuerzburg.ie/acknos.html

Le meas,
Adrian.

Naomh Pól (no lenition following Naomh and no genitive form)
Eipistilí Naomh Pól = the Epistles of St Paul (no article because St Paul is already definite and so are his epistles and so is their Latin text already definite)

btw: If article "na" would be correct it should be na nEip... (no hyphen).


I'd write ... ar cheann de na díolamaí móra is sine (less puzzling)
and I'd add ... i nGaeilge (In the English version you write " written in Irish")


eile


mar bhall d’obair


le hOllscoil ...


óstáilte ag an Ionad Anailísíochta Sonraí Insight


téacs digiteach ghluaiseanna Würzburg a fhoilsiú


Edit: lenition of "gluaiseanna" was missing.

Go raih míle maith agat, a Labhrás!

I really appreciate you catching those errors for me. I have a couple of follow up questions on some of your answers, just to fill in my own understanding.



Does that mean I should also change the title of the main page to Gluaiseanna Würzburg Eipistilí Phóil?



Does the adjective not have to be in the genitive following "...foilsiú téacs", or can foilsiú not be used in that position?

Many thanks again for all your help.

Yes, you should.


I turned the order because I'd think it is more natural to say

"Cheadaigh X an rud a fhoilsiú" instead of
"Cheadaigh X foilsiú an ruda"

So: Cheadaigh X téacs digiteach ghluaiseanna Würzburg a fhoilsiú

But if you would use foilsiú first:

Cheadaigh X foilsiú théacs digiteach ghluaiseanna Würzburg

foilsiú is here a normal noun, "publication".
Three nouns in genitive relation are following: téacs, gluaiseanna, Würzburg.
But only the last is in genitive form: Würzburg.
Unfortunately it doesn't have a special genitive form in Irish So, it is still "Würzburg".
All other nouns (and their adjectives) don't change at all. No genitive form is used, so it is still "digiteach".
Except for lenition: all nouns are lenited if possible, so "théacs [...] ghluaiseanna Würzburg"

Would it be possible to avoid multiple genitive with de here? Like foilsiú téacs dhigitigh de ghluaiseanna Würzburg?

I’ve seen some instances, i think in Mo sgéal féin, where I’d expect series of genitives, phrases split with de this way, I wonder how universal that it, what are limitations to replacing genitives with de.

I’m sure good speakers would find a way to break up such genitive strings with the help of prepositions.
But they wouldn’t simply insert "de".

"De" is partitive. So any genitive must have a partitive meaning in order to be exchanged by "de".
Otherwise it is not possible or the meaning changes, too

"foilsiú téacs de ghluaiseanna Würzburg" means rather "publication of one of the texts of the W. glosses"

Ar dtús, go raibh míle maith agat as do fhreagra.

I'm a bit confused about the difference between nouns in the genitive case following nouns in the genitive case, and successive nouns in genitive relation.

Why would all of the nouns not be in the genitive case and show their genitive form?

Irish – since at least Early Modern Irish and I think much earlier – avoids multiple genitives, and when such situation happens grammatically, only the last noun is put in true genitive form, while all the previous nouns are in lenited nominative – and such a lenited nominative is called a functional genitive, as it fulfills the role of a genitive, but doesn’t have a form of one. As often, there are exceptions, especially verbal nouns in genitive followed by their object also in genitive, or when a set phrase (like, I think, lucht leanúna or dalta scoile as they are treated as a single phrase). See [t]he form of the genitive is not used when part here.

Also I’ve just found this post about a functional genitive in Lá Fhéile Pádraig. Unfortunately, as observed in the post, very few resources explain the functional genitive in double genitives properly…

Clearly my modern Irish is deficient.

Thanks very much for the detailed explanation.

In the FAISNÉIS section -

- 'coinnithe': Unless you mean "kept, held", I don't think 'coinnigh' is the right verb. 'An Foclóir Nua' translates 'contain' with 'bí' + 'i' in virtually every case in this context.

- 'idirlínteacha' > 'idirlínteacha'.

- 'ghluaiseanna eile atá caillte le haois na lámhscríbinne, agus le linn a cumhdach': I don't think 'le' is the appropriate preposition here. 'De bharr' (or similar) suits better. Téarma.ie uses 'ceangal' for 'bookbinding > 'le linn a ceangail' (genitive). The present tense won't fit with 'le linn', so you'll have to use the past 'cailleadh' (as in the English version) instead of 'atá caillte' - or you could omit 'le linn' and let 'de bharr' cover that too (again, as in the English).

- 'níos mó feidhmiúlacht' > 'feidhmiúlachta' (strictly speaking).

- 'le himeacht oibre': Modelled on 'le himeacht aimsire'? I googled it and found no occurrences.


In the BUÍOCHAS section -

- 'mar bhall': I'm not sure you can use 'ball' rather than 'cuid' in this context.

- 'maonithe le hOllscoil..' > 'maonithe ag Ollscoil...'

- 'Bhí an digitiú déanta le cuidiú BD' > 'Rinneadh an digitiú le cuidiú BD.'

- Bhí an suíomh seo agus a bhunachar sonraí déanta le AÓD > Is é AÓD a rinne an suíomh seo...

In the ABOUT section -

- (last line) 'are licensed' > 'is licensed'.

- I assume it's cool, in Netspeak, to have 'about' by itself in the heading and not "about us/this project" etc? I've seen a few cases of it. Strikes me as weird.