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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2018 12:25 pm 
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Hi guys,

I want to get a new tattoo but this time I want it in Irish.
Can you help me out?

Here what I want in Irish.... " Blood of the French, Heart of the Irish"

Thank you!


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PostPosted: Tue 11 Sep 2018 7:09 pm 
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SandLea wrote:
Hi guys,

I want to get a new tattoo but this time I want it in Irish.
Can you help me out?

Here what I want in Irish.... " Blood of the French, Heart of the Irish"

Thank you!


Fuil na bhFrancach, Croí na nGael - Blood of the Rats, Heart of the Irish


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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2018 12:24 am 
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Fuil na bhFrancach, Croí na nGael - Blood of the Rats, Heart of the Irish


I can second the translation. :good:

I think Ade may have responded tongue-in-cheek as to the English version above. The word francach, all lower case, does mean "rat", but when capitalized it means "French". I assume that the word for "rat" existed before the Franks first emerged into history, but I don't know the etymology (I tried an etymological dictionary, but it had no info).

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2018 1:39 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
I think Ade may have responded tongue-in-cheek as to the English version above.
:aingeal:


CaoimhínSF wrote:
I assume that the word for "rat" existed before the Franks first emerged into history, but I don't know the etymology (I tried an etymological dictionary, but it had no info).


Actually, it is based on the French, but not as a comparison or insult. eDIL gives its origin as luch francach.


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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2018 7:45 pm 
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Actually, it is based on the French, but not as a comparison or insult. eDIL gives its origin as luch francach.


I forgot about eDIL! That's very interesting. So, I guess Ireland had nice little cute mice, and then evil foreigners (the Normans? :ninja: ) brought in nasty big "French mice", or rats. :cry:

Sort of the reverse of Patrick driving out the snakes (which, of course, were never there in the first place).

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Sep 2018 8:25 pm 
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It's quite possible that Normans brought the rats to Ireland, they (the rats) are quite adept at getting on board and jumping ship when they get the opportunity. So before then, I'm guessing that there were only mice in Ireland, as well as the pigmy shrew (dallóg fhraoigh) of course. Historians are now pretty certain that the black rat, which originally comes from Asia, was brought into Western Europe, not on purpose, by Roman ships trading with the Middle East.


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I'd be surprised if it was to do with the Anglo-Normans. I think it's more likely to do with plague rats. I find it a bit hard to imagine there were absolutely no rats in Ireland before the emergence of the Franks as a people on the continent. Perhaps, then, there was an idea that it was the French "mice" specifically which brought the plague when they were brought by unwitting traders.


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