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 Post subject: Cú gen. "con"?
PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2018 2:49 pm 
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I read in (I think) Ó Dónaill that the archaic form of the genitive singular of the noun cú, "con", can be used in certain phrases. Ó Dónaill goes on to give absolutely no examples of this usage.

My understanding is that the genitive sg. typically follows the nominative sg. and the plural with the plural in the same way in Modern Irish.

Can anyone think of any examples of times, or stock phrases, where the genitive "con" would be used?

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Ade.


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2018 3:23 pm 
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Ade wrote:
I read in (I think) Ó Dónaill that the archaic form of the genitive singular of the noun cú, "con", can be used in certain phrases. Ó Dónaill goes on to give absolutely no examples of this usage.

My understanding is that the genitive sg. typically follows the nominative sg. and the plural with the plural in the same way in Modern Irish.

Can anyone think of any examples of times, or stock phrases, where the genitive "con" would be used?

Many thanks,
Ade.


In the list of phrases below the main entry there are five phrases with the genitive 'chon' (lhenited after a feminine noun) - e.g. 'caor chon'.


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Aug 2018 3:30 pm 
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Ade wrote:
I read in (I think) Ó Dónaill that the archaic form of the genitive singular of the noun cú, "con", can be used in certain phrases. Ó Dónaill goes on to give absolutely no examples of this usage.

My understanding is that the genitive sg. typically follows the nominative sg. and the plural with the plural in the same way in Modern Irish.

Can anyone think of any examples of times, or stock phrases, where the genitive "con" would be used?

Many thanks,
Ade.


In surnames as Mac Con Iomaire, Mac Con Uladh etc.
Genitive plural in rásaí con = greyhound races


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Aug 2018 3:39 am 
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Ade wrote:
I read in (I think) Ó Dónaill that the archaic form of the genitive singular of the noun cú, "con", can be used in certain phrases. Ó Dónaill goes on to give absolutely no examples of this usage.

My understanding is that the genitive sg. typically follows the nominative sg. and the plural with the plural in the same way in Modern Irish.

Can anyone think of any examples of times, or stock phrases, where the genitive "con" would be used?

Many thanks,
Ade.


I always used the 'archaic' forms. In fact, when I first came across the standard forms on focloir.ie (before focal.ie came on the scene), I thought the good people at focloir.ie were just making shit up, as focloir.ie was wont to do, and even more so now:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1493&hilit=c%C3%BA+con

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 Post subject: Re: Cú gen. "con"?
PostPosted: Thu 23 Aug 2018 6:52 pm 
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Yeah same as An Cionnfhaolach it would be the form I use and it's the one used in the Munster Gaeltacht.

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