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 Post subject: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Sat 25 Nov 2017 1:48 pm 
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If you go here, you'll see that, with beag, for example, the genitive masculine singular is big, but would that ever actually be used just like that (i.e. unlenited)? I know it's lenited after the noun and it can only come before the noun in poetry, so can it ever be used by itself, or are there specific cases where it would be used?


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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Sun 26 Nov 2017 10:54 am 
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I don't think so. They've given it with no lenition there because it's out of context, it's not after a noun, so grammatically there's no reason to lenite it. But of course, in any real context other than quotation in a grammatical book or in a dictionary, it would be after a noun in the genitive singular, so it would be lenited in all cases.

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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Mon 27 Nov 2017 9:14 pm 
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Maybe it is possible to avoid lenition by separating it from the noun with an adverb?

ainm an fhir go réasúnta big

not sure if it would work this way, but it came to mind as a possibility

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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Tue 28 Nov 2017 2:54 pm 
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Cúmhaí wrote:
Maybe it is possible to avoid lenition by separating it from the noun with an adverb?

ainm an fhir go réasúnta big

not sure if it would work this way, but it came to mind as a possibility


No, usually no genitive form following adverbs:
ainm an fhir réasúnta beag


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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017 1:01 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Cúmhaí wrote:
Maybe it is possible to avoid lenition by separating it from the noun with an adverb?

ainm an fhir go réasúnta big

not sure if it would work this way, but it came to mind as a possibility


No, usually no genitive form following adverbs:
ainm an fhir reasúnta beag

For some reason, having beag before réasúnta sounds more natural to me, is this in any way an issue?

ainm an fhir bhig réasúnta


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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017 4:49 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
Cúmhaí wrote:
Maybe it is possible to avoid lenition by separating it from the noun with an adverb?

ainm an fhir go réasúnta big

not sure if it would work this way, but it came to mind as a possibility


No, usually no genitive form following adverbs:
ainm an fhir reasúnta beag

For some reason, having beag before réasúnta sounds more natural to me, is this in any way an issue?

ainm an fhir bhig réasúnta


This would mean:
the name of the little reasonable man.

But "the name of the fairly little man"
ainm an fhir réasúnta beag


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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017 6:46 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
But "the name of the fairly little man"
ainm an fhir réasúnta beag


Wouldn't this mean "the name of the fairly short man"?
My impression was that beag when describing people meant short, not young

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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017 7:02 pm 
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Cúmhaí wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
But "the name of the fairly little man"
ainm an fhir réasúnta beag


Wouldn't this mean "the name of the fairly short man"?
My impression was that beag when describing people meant short, not young


Yes, "short" in this context. Funny English language :D


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 Post subject: Re: Unlenited Adjectives
PostPosted: Wed 29 Nov 2017 7:09 pm 
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GRMagaibh, was mnisinterpreting "réasúnta beag" as reasonable + small instead of "reasonably/fairly small".


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