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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2017 2:37 am 
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OK, I believe the following two sentences are correct:

I have to practice == Tá orm cleachtadh
I have to practice my Irish == Tá orm mo chuid Gaeilge a cleachtadh

with the "a" being needed before "cleactadh" in the second sentence because the verbal noun has an object, whereas "a" is not needed in the first sentence because there is no verbal noun object. Do I have this right??


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2017 4:12 am 
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Yep, looks right to me.


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2017 8:31 am 
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Oh cool.... starting to get the hang of this verbal noun stuff.

One more question though

I want to hurt him == Tá uaim á ghortu
I want to hurt her == Tá uaim á gortu
I want to hurt them == Tá uaim á ngortu


Is this correct?? And how would I say

I want to hurt myself == ??


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2017 2:33 pm 
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Vitaee wrote:
Oh cool.... starting to get the hang of this verbal noun stuff.

One more question though

I want to hurt him == Tá uaim á ghortu
I want to hurt her == Tá uaim á gortu
I want to hurt them == Tá uaim á ngortu


Is this correct?? And how would I say

I want to hurt myself == ??


I don't think you've quite mastered it yet :D

In modern standard Irish the pronoun is generally used (and taught):

I want to hurt myself/him/her/them - Tá uaim mé féin/é/í/iad a ghortú

The possessive adjective - mo/do/a etc. - can be used instead, but is more common in older texts and !older speakers:

Tá uaim a ghortú/a gortú/a ngortú. No accents. You're confusing this with I'm hurting him/her/them:

Tá mé á ghortú/á gortú/á ngortú

I want to practise my Irish - Tá uaim mo chuid Gaeilge a chleachtadh


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2017 2:43 pm 
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Vitaee wrote:
OK, I believe the following two sentences are correct:

I have to practice == Tá orm cleachtadh
I have to practice my Irish == Tá orm mo chuid Gaeilge a cleachtadh

with the "a" being needed before "cleactadh" in the second sentence because the verbal noun has an object, whereas "a" is not needed in the first sentence because there is no verbal noun object. Do I have this right??


Yes.
Except it is ... a chleachtadh


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2017 2:52 pm 
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Vitaee wrote:
Oh cool.... starting to get the hang of this verbal noun stuff.

One more question though

I want to hurt him == Tá uaim á ghortu
I want to hurt her == Tá uaim á gortu
I want to hurt them == Tá uaim á ngortu


Is this correct??


Almost.
Here you need a (without accent) instead of á

Either (a = "his/her,their"):
Tá uaim a ghortú / a gortú / a ngortú

or (a = "to"):
Tá uaim é a ghortú / í a ghortú / iad a ghortú (more common today)

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And how would I say

I want to hurt myself == ??


... mé féin a ghortú
or
... mo ghortú féin


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Nov 2017 3:21 pm 
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Thanks all for the help
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Sorry to hijack your thread but I was just curious if i wanted to say "I would like to go back" would it either be "ba mhaith liom dul air ais" or "ba mhaith liom a dul ar ais"? Thanks


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An Sionnach Glic wrote:
Sorry to hijack your thread but I was just curious if i wanted to say "I would like to go back" would it either be "ba mhaith liom dul air ais" or "ba mhaith liom a dul ar ais"? Thanks

Ba mhaith liom dul air ais

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An Sionnach Glic wrote:
Sorry to hijack your thread but I was just curious if i wanted to say "I would like to go back" would it either be "ba mhaith liom dul air ais" or "ba mhaith liom a dul ar ais"? Thanks


Caoimhín already answered the question, but in case you are wondering why, the answer is whether the verb is transitive or intransitive (aka whether it has an object or not)
so:
ba mhaith liom thú a mharú
ba mhaith liom bás a fháil
(both are transitive)
ba mhaith liom fanacht ar an saol
ba mhaith liom labhairt le saoi leighis
(both are intransitive)

"to be" is always séimhithe so here, even though it is neither transitive nor intransitive, it will be lenited always
ba mhaith liom (a) bheith sásta
ba mhaith liom (a) bheith pósta faoi cheann bliana

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