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 Post subject: Airigh and Clois
PostPosted: Sun 04 Dec 2016 10:59 pm 
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Does anyone know if there's a rule to when airigh is used for 'hear' instead of clois? I learned about that usage of it over the summer, but have yet to really find any definitive rule, apart from "airigh sounds more natural here", etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Airigh and Clois
PostPosted: Mon 05 Dec 2016 7:33 pm 
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This is next to useless, but Airigh is the basic verb for "hear" in Munster, Clois tended to be used for "hearing" news, information things like that. With influence from the other dialects, they've sort of become interchangeable.

I don't know what distinguished them in Classical Irish.

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 Post subject: Re: Airigh and Clois
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
This is next to useless, but Airigh is the basic verb for "hear" in Munster, Clois tended to be used for "hearing" news, information things like that. With influence from the other dialects, they've sort of become interchangeable.

I don't know what distinguished them in Classical Irish.


I know that "airigh" can also mean something along the lines of "sense" or "feel."

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 Post subject: Re: Airigh and Clois
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Redwolf wrote:
An Lon Dubh wrote:
This is next to useless, but Airigh is the basic verb for "hear" in Munster, Clois tended to be used for "hearing" news, information things like that. With influence from the other dialects, they've sort of become interchangeable.

I don't know what distinguished them in Classical Irish.


I know that "airigh" can also mean something along the lines of "sense" or "feel."

Redwolf
Spot on Redwolf .
In Conamara we ask a person if s/he is feeling well with 'Bhfuil tú ag aireachtáil go maith"
For the idiom Are you feeling ok(Are you crazy/going mad) "Bhfuil tú ag aireachtáil ceart sa gcloigeann"/Bhfuil tú ceart sa gcloigeann"


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 Post subject: Re: Airigh and Clois
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
This is next to useless, but Airigh is the basic verb for "hear" in Munster, Clois tended to be used for "hearing" news, information things like that. With influence from the other dialects, they've sort of become interchangeable.

I don't know what distinguished them in Classical Irish.



Hmmm. Sounds like the distinction I was taught between abair and inis. I wonder if that distinction is in place with airigh and clois on the 'hearing' side of the spectrum. I'll have to ask and see.


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 Post subject: Re: Airigh and Clois
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
This is next to useless, but Airigh is the basic verb for "hear" in Munster, Clois tended to be used for "hearing" news, information things like that. With influence from the other dialects, they've sort of become interchangeable.



:good:

"Airigh" is more common in Connamara too.


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