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 Post subject: Re: Faram
PostPosted: Tue 28 Aug 2018 2:28 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Faram
PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2018 3:16 am 
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Esszet wrote:
I realize most of these would be pretty uncommon, but following the table here and starting with a, does fara form the following contractions and copular forms?

farana
faranár
faranar (both with ar and the regular copular form)
faranarb
faranarbh

I also know that fré means the same thing, but it seems to be even less common (it doesn't even have an entry in Ó Dónaill's Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla; is it used at all these days?


Yes these are correct, as copula forms.

fre comes from Old Irish fri 'against', which becomes ri/ re in Middle and Early Modern Irish; the form dies out in Irish in the 18th century and is superceded by le. The opposite occurs in Scottish Gaelic, whereby the form ri supercedes le.

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 Post subject: Re: Faram
PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2018 6:33 pm 
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Alright, thanks. [url=https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fré]Apparently[/url] (?; see references), fré is still used in Cois Fharraige, so, partially because I edit Wiktionary and combined forms of fré should be on there, I wanted to make sure it is fréna, frénár, frénar, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Faram
PostPosted: Fri 31 Aug 2018 8:41 pm 
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Esszet wrote:
Alright, thanks. [url=https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fré]Apparently[/url] (?; see references), fré is still used in Cois Fharraige, so, partially because I edit Wiktionary and combined forms of fré should be on there, I wanted to make sure it is fréna, frénár, frénar, etc.


frae:
frum, frat, frois
(m.), frae (f.), fruinn, fraoib, frób

It is fraena chéile or frae chéile
but fros, frois a ... in other instances (frois a cuid bainne)

(acc. to Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge, T. de Bháldraithe)


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 Post subject: Re: Faram
PostPosted: Mon 03 Sep 2018 11:02 pm 
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Fraena is really only used with céile? And so it's also fros, frois ar, arb, arbh?


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 Post subject: Re: Faram
PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep 2018 10:55 am 
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Esszet wrote:
Fraena is really only used with céile? And so it's also fros, frois ar, arb, arbh?

Yes, frae/fraena + céile and frois + possessive adjective "a" in all other instances.

There's no mention of relative or copular forms in this (very extensive) dialect decription, prob. because this preposition is seldom used.
And because copular forms of prepositions in general are rare, I'd assume that forms of frae + copula aren't used at all.

(BTW: the adverb freisin, froisin /fres´in´/ (< frois sin), "also", is the only often used form of this preposition)


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 Post subject: Re: Faram
PostPosted: Tue 04 Sep 2018 1:58 pm 
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Alright, thanks, that’s probably the best I’m gonna be able to do for now.


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