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PostPosted: Tue 08 Dec 2015 12:21 am 
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Instead of a New Deal for Irish speakers and communities, policy reform efforts to date have culminated in a reversion to the status quo but with weaker budget provision. To re-establish Irish in the Gaeltacht as a living language it will be necessary to focus on four basic tasks: a) re-establishing communities with sufficient density of Irish speakers to ensure Gaeltacht sustainability, b) establishing a form of civic trust to manage socio-economic resources for the benefit of the minority group, c) establishing some form of assembly to allow for the development of Irish language civil culture and to provide group leadership, and d) making provision for research and productive strategic back-up for the Irish-speaking community.


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I propose that current language-support institutions be replaced by the following agencies, possibly within the existing budget:

1. A Gaelic Community Trust – to manage collective resources and to administer the benefits of group membership

2. Dáil na nGael — a form of assembly to develop group leadership and to empower practical strategies and actions

3. A research and information centre — to disseminate knowledge on best-practice and strategy.



http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/irish ... -1.2264426

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Based on the comments, it seems like the idea that the language effort should be led by the Gaeltacht people is going right over everyone's heads. Should step 1 be to relieve anglophone Irish people of the notion that the language belongs to them and their personal experiences define the language movement? I feel like they fundamentally agree with the author but they're not paying close enough attention to notice.


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Dylan wrote:
Should step 1 be to relieve anglophone Irish people of the notion that the language belongs to them and their personal experiences define the language movement?


Oh God, but this. As I mentioned in another thread, I've recently been involved in arguments on Duolingo (I stay there and help, because I hate to see so many people learn from it!) about this. In particular that Irish isn't your native language just because you happen to be Irish! And that your Urban Irish isn't a dialect, but poor learning! And that it's not your damn language to change because you aren't a native speaker - which leads back to point one.


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PostPosted: Tue 08 Dec 2015 12:16 pm 
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Totally, but this is the same story told a million times where there is an imbalance of power

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Totally, but this is the same story told a million times where there is an imbalance of power


Well if I understand the situation, the frustrating thing for me is that it seems like the average anglophone Irishman doesn't want anything to do with the language, or at least doesn't have any strong feelings about it. So with the right initiative, I don't see why a transfer of power to the Gaeltacht people couldn't happen. I don't see why any members of the public wouldn't be amenable to it.


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It's not the public, it's the State. Ireland is a very centralised (and centralising country). To do such a transfer would fall foul to a number of conscious barriers and unconscious reflexes.

On a conscious level, state jobs are about patronage, and there is little gain to be had by transferring (albeit a small degree of) power to a group of people that have no real leverage to begin with. There would be an attendant jealousy on the part of insiders who might have gained were some more symbolic quango set up. Also, any even tiny shoot of independence in a country where group-think is all important is unlikely to be discouraged. Finally, certain elements of the media may drum up the old canards of 'waste' and 'better spent on x, y and z' which might gain traction in the wider population.

Unconsciously, whether people admit it or not, Ireland is a heavily Anglo-Saxonized country (not an Anglo-Saxon 'nation' -Britain is not identified with as the mother nation) following Common Law, speaking English, a British-like (and liking!) civil service, aligned with Anglo-American geopolitics, a law and court heritage moulded by the Anglo-Irish, and a general ignorance of anything not Anglo. Anything Gaelic is seen as somehow alien. Irish is treated variously as an irrelevance, a distraction, a joke, a cash cow or a symbol, but it certainly is never given respect.

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