An Lon Dubh wrote:
Jay Bee wrote:
Irish is our native language
There is a difference between the historically native language of an ethnic group and the personal native language of a speaker. A good example would be 2nd or 3rd generation ethnic Americans. Irish as 'our native language' is more spiel than fact
I dropped my hand done portrait of Dev at this shocking paragraph. I've reported you to a dissidents observation group. We'll have you up and back to playin' hurling in no time.
Dev was a sell out, i spend my Sundays doing hand drawn portraits of the Big fella himself.
Ive often wondered if English is as native a language to Ireland as it is to England? For when the Normans first landed here, English as we know it had not yet developed , and with them came Anglo-norman speakers, old English speakers ,and Flemish speakers , (Yola and Fingalian) ,and Welsh speakers, so a similar linguistic mix to what produced the English language.
I cant for the life of me find any references to when English itself was first officially spoken here, of course a lot of these speakers would have changed to Gaelic which can be attested from the numerous accounts of Lords and preachers complaining that their subjects/flock needed to be communicated with through Irish despite being of settler stock.
But given languages like Yola survived until the 18th century, it would be unreasonable to think any early forms of English developed on the island could also have survived and contributed to the creation of Hiberno English