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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2014 5:49 pm 
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http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-styl ... -1.1619639

Anyone care to paste the text here? :)

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 11:08 am 
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link just asks me if i want to pay for access to Irish times archives

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 11:10 am 
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That's why I was hoping a subber would post a synops :)

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 11:13 am 
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ah :)

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 11:25 am 
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Over a hundred. Not sure of he was a semi-speaker or what. Not far from my part of the country so I could have gone and met him

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 11:28 am 
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you'd have to wonder how many people like this there were until relatively recently.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 11:31 am 
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Part of me hopes they had nothing as it would annoy me to think to all the potential material lost

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 1:43 pm 
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Patrick Flanagan was born in the townland of Scribbagh in February 1913. Scribbagh is in the Cashel area, more than 20 miles west of Enniskillen. He was the youngest of five children to Michael Flanagan, a small farmer and road contractor, and his wife Bridget (ne Margaret Duffy).

His home area was one of the Gaeltachta stranded in the Northern state after partition. Irish was also spoken in Aghayaran in Tyrone, parts of the Sperrins, spanning the Tyrone-Derry border, the Glens of Antrim and Rathlin Island, and a chunk of south Armagh.


Beyond that it just says that his grandmother was famous for her Irish and that it was one of several Gaeltachtaí that declined due to hostility from the Northern Irish state.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 2:49 pm 
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I wonder. Wouldn't they have declined anyways?

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And today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gaeltacht_2007.jpg

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014 3:12 pm 
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Jay Bee wrote:

Possibly, but it hard to know.
The second map is not very accurate, there are still native Irish speaking community's in all the areas of Corca dhuibhne Gaeltacht which that map excludes. Ive heard it spoken frequently enough in West Cork and in Rinn ive heard teenagers using amongst themselves. It seems wrong the exclude them just because its no longer the majority language. Especially since the language has been transmitted continuously from generation to generation.

I looked up his townland in the 1901 census, very few profess an ability with Irish, mostly elderly . But there could easily have been a under reporting, as I mentioned before in a previous post, many of my family come from the area's where Donegal, Tyrone and Fermanagh meet , in many townlands in 1911 people who recorded themselves in the 1901 census as Irish speakers no longer do so. And from Anecdotal evidence ive heard over the years, there were still some family's using Irish decades after it ceased to be recorded as Irish speaking. So its quite possible that he would have learned Irish at home at the turn of the century , especially since the people who appear to be his mother and father are recorded as Irish speakers.

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