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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jul 2014 6:34 pm 
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What do there two sentences mean:

tá seo le rá faoi
tá sé sin le rá faoi


My attempt at it:

This is what is to be said about it.
That is what is to be said about it.

Why "sé sin" instead of sin?


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jul 2014 10:11 am 
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barra79 wrote:
What do there two sentences mean:

tá seo le rá faoi
tá sé sin le rá faoi


My attempt at it:

This is what is to be said about it.
That is what is to be said about it.

Why "sé sin" instead of sin?


You are probably referring to:
http://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/say-this-much

I have only a hazy notion:

You could perhaps use both (seo and sin or sé seo and sé sin) but:
Both sentences are used in different situations (as it is on focloir.ie).
sé sin is referring back to something already mentioned. So, an anaphoric pronoun sé is useful.
Seo is referring forward, cataphoric: Something following. Moreover, it is not only referring but rather pointing to the things to be said. The whole phrase is like an imaginary index finger, the finger tip is perhaps a double dot: Tá seo le rá faoi: ...
If you point at something there's no need for sé, simple seo is enough.


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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jan 2015 1:51 am 
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Tá seo le rá faoi; Tá sin le rá faoi:

I'll give a stab at it:

The omission of "sé" in both sentences may be due to the use of a higher register of language; almost a poetic device.


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2015 10:29 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
barra79 wrote:
What do there two sentences mean:

tá seo le rá faoi
tá sé sin le rá faoi


My attempt at it:

This is what is to be said about it.
That is what is to be said about it.

Why "sé sin" instead of sin?


You are probably referring to:
http://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/say-this-much

I have only a hazy notion:

You could perhaps use both (seo and sin or sé seo and sé sin) but:
Both sentences are used in different situations (as it is on focloir.ie).
sé sin is referring back to something already mentioned. So, an anaphoric pronoun sé is useful.
Seo is referring forward, cataphoric: Something following. Moreover, it is not only referring but rather pointing to the things to be said. The whole phrase is like an imaginary index finger, the finger tip is perhaps a double dot: Tá seo le rá faoi: ...
If you point at something there's no need for sé, simple seo is enough.

:yes:

Tá seo (a leanas) le rá faoi
Tá sé sin (atá ráite agat) le rá faoi

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