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PostPosted: Mon 20 May 2013 3:08 pm 
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Here's a sound file for a Conamara-style pronunciation of a phrase we often get asked for:

http://www.awyr.com/ILF/saewndfaylz/Ta% ... _ionat.mp3

Tá mo chroí istigh ionat.
taw muh KHREE ih-SHCHIH OON-ud
/tɑ: mə xri: ə's´t´i uNəd/

The broad ch /x/ (kh in my phonics) is like ch in loch /lox/ (lokh), never like k. It may help to think of a very breathy h pronounced deep in the throat. Could also be described as the sound people make when clearing phlegm from the throat. But sure, the sound is in the sound file anyway. :LOL:

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PostPosted: Tue 21 May 2013 8:46 pm 
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Actually, if you pronounce it the way you describe it, you'll probably end up with something like [ħ ~ ʜ]. It's no deeper in the throat than /k/ is xP

While I'm at it, I might as well try to provide an Ulster pronunciation so Lughaidh can later come in and chastise me for my failings. :mrgreen:

Tá mo chroí istigh ionat.
[tˠæ mʌ xriː əstiː ɔnət]


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PostPosted: Wed 22 May 2013 12:29 am 
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Hallow XIII wrote:
Actually, if you pronounce it the way you describe it, you'll probably end up with something like [ħ ~ ʜ]. It's no deeper in the throat than /k/ is xP

You are correct that ch /x/ is "as deep" in the throat as Irish c /k/. However, /k/ is deeper in the throat than an ordinary /h/. Therefore ch is deeper in the throat than an ordinary English h (or Irish h) /h/.

The important thing is that the sound is more like a "raspy" h, and not at all like an ordinary k sound, in any native dialect.

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My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


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PostPosted: Wed 22 May 2013 7:04 am 
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Breandán wrote:
The important thing is that the sound is more like a "raspy" h, and not at all like an ordinary k sound, in any native dialect.


Yes, of course.


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