Grma a Bhríd.



The question is: would native Modern Irish speakers create and use such words in their normal speech? I don't think so.



these words have been coined and then imposed to all speakers through school "official" terminology, books etc. Would all native speakers reject them? I don't know (they've got used to them), but would they have created them?...



it would be interesting to make a survey on that topic, by asking to Gaeltacht people how they would say this or that... Even studying the percentage of contráilte compound words in the Irish prose before the CO was created. And compare with today's Irish language newspapers, websites etc. I think it would be funny.



the problem is that people can't choose, the bunoscionn compound words are imposed to them. Along with Standard Irish of course, because all these artificial things belong to the same movement.
Nobody asks "do you prefer Gaelscoil" or "Scoil Ghaeilge"? Gaelscéal or Scéal Gaelach? etc etc. The contráilte words are imposed to people.

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Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

amachleisseo

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Bí cinnte de go nglacfaidh triúr le gach aistriúchán a thabharfar.
Be sure to get three in agreement with a translation given.

You hear them every day - príomhshráid - reophointe - galfchúrsa.

'carrfholcadh' puts funny images in my mind, I must say But, like everything else, I suppose we can get used to it if we see it often enough! We shouldn't have to, though, since the Language Committee have come up with the official translation:

niteoir carranna

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Bí cinnte de go nglacfaidh triúr le gach aistriúchán a thabharfar.
Be sure to get three in agreement with a translation given.

Once again, príomhshráid is ok since príomh is a prefixed adjective so it's normal if it's prefixed, just like dea-, droch- or sean-.
Cool that the Language Committee didn't invent "carrniteoir" I wonder what makes them choose to create a contráilte compound word and what makes them prefer a normal compound word... What's the problem with cúrsa gailf and with pointe reo?... Another mystery of the "Caighdeán Oifigiúil"...

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The evidence on both sides has been presented, and everyone has stated their opinion. But it seems to me we're kind of going around in circles at this point, and I don't think anyone is really enjoying the "prefix" part of the discussion at this point, including the participants.

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It is recommended that you always wait for three to agree on a translation.
I speak Connemara Irish, and my input will often reflect that.
I will do an mp3 file on request for short translations.
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Thank you, mhWombat. Sometimes I feel you are the only sane person in this madhouse.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Actually, a friend reminded me these paragraphs from Tomás De Bhaldraithe's Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge: An Deilbhíocht. (page 254). As you may know, T. De Bhaldraithe was a linguist and native speaker from Cois Fhairrge, in the Connemara Gaeltacht.

470. Comhfhocla a tuigtear mar chomhfhocla atá i gceist anseo. Tuigtear focal mar chomhfhocal nuair a tuigtear ceachtar den dá chuid mar fhocal as féin. Ní nós beo é comhfhocla a dhéanamh ar aon cheann de na bealaí seo thíos (1), ach amháin i gcás an dá aidiacht a chur le chéile.

471. Dhá ainm a chur le chéile, e.g. (...) muic-fheoil ; (...) caoir-fheoil ; (...) cúl-bhoc ; (...)
472. Aidiacht agus ainm a chur le chéime, e.g. (...)beó-phianadh...
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The footnote "1" in §470 is:

Sé an nós beo atá ann i gcás na n-ainm, ainm foráiteach a dhéanamh, agus an dara hainm a bheith sa ngin[ideach], e.g. bean tighe; ceann oibre ; barr íochtair ; muc mhara, etc.

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great stuff lads...a good debate and today we now have Tipp and and Dublin, the mighty Galway and the Cats.....deachluichí!!! BTW....dinner was good and the craic was onreal!!! sa Come on the Tribe!!!! I have a handy double that will make up my losses on the banner stealing the last match.

And yet what does De Bhaldraithe give for "freezing point" in his own dictionary? Reophointe.

Another mystery of De Bhaldraithe

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).