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PostPosted: Sun 17 Nov 2013 9:59 pm 
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patrickjwalsh wrote:
Dinneen has these words for privy (in addition to leithreas)

camra
fiailteach
fial
losán
tigh beag
tighín

Some of these are more along the lines of "latrine", which is not exactly the same as "toilet". I like ionlann - although Dineen doesn't have it. Does it just mean "the place inside"?


an ionlann for me would mean the whole thing - the toilet and also where you wash your hands and yourself
camra for me means more the outflow of the toilet - not a discussion over tea LOL...
an teachín / an tigh beag - tá mé a dhul ag an teachín... I'm going to the toilet... in context

fial - fiailteach -- are strangers to me in this context but you would understand it as the 'covered house' all right.

losán - is a new one for me, thanks for that! It is good to know it is there.
(... as long as I wouldn't get it mixed up with an losainn and go to put in my mouth.... LOL...)

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Nov 2013 10:07 pm 
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Braoin wrote:
an ionlann for me would mean the whole thing - the toilet and also where you wash your hands and yourself
camra for me means more the outflow of the toilet - not a discussion over tea LOL...
an teachín / an tigh beag - tá mé a dhul ag an teachín... I'm going to the toilet... in context

fial - fiailteach -- are strangers to me in this context but you would readily understand it as the 'covered house' all right.

losán - is a new one for me, thanks for that! It is good to know it is there.
(... as long as I wouldn't get it mixed up with an losainn and go to put in my mouth.... LOL...)


Thanks - I see the distinction between the words better now.

You can read fiailteach in Peadar Ua Laoghaire's Gospels.

Where the English Douay at Matthew 15:17 said: Do you not understand, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the privy?

He translated it as: Ná tuigeann sibh, gach nídh a théigheann isteach sa bhéal, go dtéigheann sé síos
sa bholg, agus go n-imthigheann sé sa bhfiailteach?

I haven't found any other use of this word!


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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013 2:32 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013 8:15 pm 
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'Loo' has a very British valence to it.

I suppose people today don't know whether they are English or Irish, what with their 'Mums' and 'Dads' and 'mates' and so on

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Jay Bee wrote:
I suppose people today don't know whether they are English or Irish
I am pretty certain that Irish people know they are Irish! 8O

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:/ Our parish priest, as part of his Christmas sermon insisted on getting a headcount on how many Manchester United supporters there were in the church. On a number of occasions I have heard RTÉ interviewers stray from a GAA topic that is being discussed to start a one-upmanship discussion regarding English soccer teams league standings and personalities with their GAA 'expert' panel and the panel members get totally involved. A lot of these soccer gurus who know how much every player in 'their' English club cost 'their' shareholders couldn't tell you who won the League of Ireland and wouldn't be seen next nor near a junior soccer match in their local area in Ireland.Lunchtime conversations in most workplaces revolve around English soccer teams and English soap personalities and the British royal family.
Jay Bee has a point.


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I'd go further -just as a fish doesn't know it's underwater, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English people are immersed in British culture. They speak English, have British Common Law, British style administration, teach their kids English nursery rhymes....yet if anyone from Europe or Asia makes the assumption they are BRITISH :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

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Did you miss the part of our history where lots of things were forced on us? One of the results of being colonised is that much of the dominant culture is forced onto the other. Even though countries move on, much of what happened remains. Many Irish people have emigrated to England over the years and the ties (not just old colonial ones) between the countries are very strong.

We have many things that are distinctly Irish - music, literature, sport, An Ghaeilge, Irish dancing. While many Irish people support British teams - not just English by the way - and watch British programmes on tv etc. that doesn't make them English or British. Because Mrs. Brown's Boys was the most popular programme on BBC on Christmas Day, does that make British people Irish? Of course not. Technology is merging cultures more and more. This is one of the reasons why it is so important to some Irish people to try to pass on Irish to the next generation.

I doubt if the citizens of any country like to be told they are confused about their identity and kind of think that they are citizens of another.

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And if everyone in England spoke Irish, watched the GAA, used Brehon law, read Irish newspapers, sung sean-nós at Christmas...how English would they be? They'd have Morris dancing, soccer, an English flag, a history of Gaelic hegemony to rail against to show how different they were, while 'East Irelanders' would sneer at the idea of bringing back Inglish (or 'Anglic' as some call it) and decry the money spent on the Cornish, Lakeland and Yorkshire reservations while organisations such as 'Anglic Convention' (based in An Londain) would lobby the government to increase the amount of time spent in school on the subject

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I am proud to be Irish. I don't know what nationality you are. I hope you are proud to be it, be it Irish, English, American or something else.

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