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 Post subject: Re: How do I say this?
PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar 2014 11:05 pm 
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Would it not be "...chun saoil..."?

Is the singular better than the plural after a number? I thought you could use both. Or is there a specific rule for each number?


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 Post subject: Re: How do I say this?
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014 4:19 am 
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MacBoo wrote:
Is the singular better than the plural after a number? I thought you could use both. Or is there a specific rule for each number?

In Connemara (and in CO), the singular of most nouns is used after a number. The presence of the number itself is enough for the listener to infer the plural.

The exceptions tend to be units of measurement, which use either the plural noun or a special counting form. This makes sense in that many units tended to come from common nouns and so a distinction was useful:

trí chloch "three stones"
trí clocha "three stone(weight)"
sé shlat "six rods"
sé slata "six yards"

MacBoo wrote:
Would it not be "...chun saoil..."?

You might be right, but we'd better wait for someone else to confirm. Genitives do strange things in Irish when more than a single word is involved. :panic:

In light of the above perhaps:

Seacht gcéim chun saol níos fearr a chleachtadh
"Seven steps to living a better life."

Or perhaps:

Seacht gcéim chun do shaol a chleachtadh i gcothromaíocht cuí
"Seven steps to living your life in better balance."

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 Post subject: Re: How do I say this?
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014 8:05 am 
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Go raibh maith agaibh


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 Post subject: Re: How do I say this?
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014 10:22 am 
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Mick wrote:
Seacht gcéimeanna chun shaol níos fearr

Breandán wrote:
MacBoo wrote:

MacBoo wrote:
Would it not be "...chun saoil..."?

You might be right, but we'd better wait for someone else to confirm. Genitives do strange things in Irish when more than a single word is involved. :panic:

In light of the above perhaps:

Seacht gcéim chun saoil níos fearr a chleachtadh
"Seven steps to living a better life"


Seacht gcéim chun saoil níos fearr. - "Seven steps to a better life." but

Seacht gcéim chun saol níos fearr a chleachtadh.(Nominative instead of genitive - well, in the CO at any rate.)
"Seven steps to living a better life."

Macboo wrote:
Seacht gcéimeanna chun shlí maireachtála chothrom.


Slí maireachtála I would have thought. I don't see any reason for lhenition here either (though I think I know why you did).


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 Post subject: Re: How do I say this?
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014 10:31 am 
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If you couldn't use the idea of 'a balanced (life) - cothrom' as it would seem strange in Irish, would it make any more sense if you used the word stuama here?


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 Post subject: Re: How do I say this?
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Errigal wrote:
Seacht gcéim chun saoil níos fearr. - "Seven steps to a better life." but

Seacht gcéim chun saol níos fearr a chleachtadh.(Nominative instead of genitive - well, in the CO at any rate.)
"Seven steps to living a better life."

:GRMA:

I thought so at first and then I got confused by FGB's example chun an fhírinne, na fírinne a rá, implying both were possible.

But now I see Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí states:

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9.31 Ní úsáidtear ach oiread an ginideach d'ainm briathartha go díreach ar lorg
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- chun i bhfrásaí timchainteacha: chun séideadh níos measa; chun iomáint le Corcaigh; chun troid ina choinne. Ach siúd chun siúil (reatha) iad; tá an féar chun bainte.


Would that also make it:

chun saoil níos fearr "for a better life" (genitive)
chun maireachtáil níos fearr "to live better" (nominative)
:?:

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