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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013 1:38 pm 
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I always heard a broad one - and in Gaoth Dobhair the difference is clear since slender r is pronounced like a y :D
where did you hear a slender one?

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013 4:29 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
I always heard a broad one - and in Gaoth Dobhair the difference is clear since slender r is pronounced like a y :D
where did you hear a slender one?


Mostly Rann na Feirste, but until reading your comment I would have associated it (perhaps wrongly!) with Gaoth Dobhair speakers too, despite the slender 'r' ('y') sound in other cases, dobhair (dowee), máthair (mathee) srl...

Am not an expert though, and it's possible I'm more influenced by reading rather than by the sounds themselves - in Donegal literature, it's nearly always spelt pioctúir, isn't it? Don't think I've ever seen pioctúr... although I'll try to look out a few examples to check that.

Also, for me, tugann (bheir) sé i mo chloigeann é seems more common to Donegal than cuireann sé i gcuimhne domh é, even if you hear both...

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013 4:48 pm 
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Don't think I've ever seen pioctúr


but people don't always write as they speak. And actually many don't know how they should spell what they really say. They may write "pioctúir" because they saw it on some books and pronounce "pioctar"... :)

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013 6:16 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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Don't think I've ever seen pioctúr


but people don't always write as they speak. And actually many don't know how they should spell what they really say. They may write "pioctúir" because they saw it on some books and pronounce "pioctar"... :)


Yep, point taken. I was surprised by your spelling because I've always heard úir and because it's the way the great Donegal writers chose to spell it. That's all. It doesn't really matter, I suppose.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013 10:05 pm 
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You heard /p'iktu:r'/ in Rann na Feirste?

Normally, -úr is /əɾ/ in Donegal, as in gasúr /gasəɾ/, in my experience. But maybe not everywhere...

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