Ná tarlódh sé arís

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2996

Saoirse wrote:

And this is where I just say something like, 'ná déan arís é'. Not helpful I know, but that will give you a little insight into my world where I find my way around things on a daily basis rather than figuring them out..... :mrgreen:

That will work too.

Breandán · **Posted:** Tue 08 Jan 2013 4:12 am

Lughaidh wrote:

And that shows that not whole Connemara pronounces -adh sé mar -at sé

Not everyone, or at least not all the time, but An Teanga Bheo has:

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Is iondúil go mbíonn /t´/ in áit /x/ sna foirmeacha sin [an coinníollach, an gnáthchaite, an t-ordaitheach] roimh na forainmneacha sé, sí, sibh, siad; e.g. deirtear chasfadh sé mar chasat sé, bheadh sé mar bheit sé. Is ionnann an /t´/ seo agus an /t´/ in thit sé; d'fhéadfaí é a scríobh freisin mar /ṭ/. Corruair coinnítear an /x/ sa suíomh seo.

That means that it is more prevalent than not, but that it is not absolute.

Seaghan · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 12:09 pm **Posts:** 118

Níor chodail mé néal ar feadh na h-oidhche ! Tá's 'am gur dhubhairt mé 'Ná tárlaíodh mé aríst', ach b'shin é indé, seo é indiu !

Mar sin, 'Don't let it happen again'. Déarfainn 'Ná tárlódh sé aríst'.

I pronounce 'tárlódh' as 'Tárlóch'.

As for 'dhéanfadh sé', he would do, I pronounce that as 'dhéanhach sé'.

I haven't heard any of the 'T' endings, if that's what was suggested.

I hope this hasn't confused the issue, but it appears that Scooby wasn't incorrect after all ! :good:

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2996

Seaghan wrote:

I pronounce 'tárlódh' as 'Tárlóch'.

Actually that is probably closer, or something in between.

Breandán wrote:

...bheadh sé mar bheit sé

Yes, I have definitely heard that. It is common.

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

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Déarfainn 'Ná tárlódh sé aríst'.

I pronounce 'tárlódh' as 'Tárlóch'.

ar fhoghlaim tú sin ó chainnteóirí dúthchais? Nó tá cuma an mhodha choinngheallaigh air sin agus chan úsáideóchthaidhe 'n modh sin ins an abairt sin, so níl mé cinnte go bhfuil an leitriughadh sin ceart. Ach is féidir gur rud eighineacht speisealta áiteamhail atá ann...

Breandán · **Posted:** Tue 08 Jan 2013 5:01 pm

Seaghan wrote:

I hope this hasn't confused the issue, but it appears that Scooby wasn't incorrect after all ! :good:

I would suggest that Scooby would have been right in either case, and perhaps it was the fact that he had heard both somewhere along the line that caused the doubt to creep in.

Seaghan wrote:

I haven't heard any of the 'T' endings, if that's what was suggested.

It is indeed what was "suggested" - not just by me, but by Séamas Ó Murchú (An Teanga Bheo), by Mícheál Ó Siadhail (Learning Irish) and by Brian Ó Cúirneán (The Irish of Iorras Aithneach County Galway). Collectively (and individually) I would say their studies represent a significantly larger sample space than the "I haven't heard it" and I can't see any real reason for any of them to "make it up" either. :dhera:

If you haven't heard the t already, perhaps it was there and you just weren't tuned in to it. Or perhaps it is another native habit that the school system has managed to beat out of younger speakers? :dhera:

Try listening for it outside an Ceathrú Rua next time you have a chance to talk to an older speaker from Carna, say.

Seaghan · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 12:09 pm **Posts:** 118

Breandán wrote:

Seaghan wrote:

I hope this hasn't confused the issue, but it appears that Scooby wasn't incorrect after all ! :good:

I would suggest that Scooby would have been right in either case, and perhaps it was the fact that he had heard both somewhere along the line that caused the doubt to creep in.

Seaghan wrote:

I haven't heard any of the 'T' endings, if that's what was suggested.

It is indeed what was "suggested" - not just by me, but by Séamas Ó Murchú (An Teanga Bheo), by Mícheál Ó Siadhail (Learning Irish) and by Brian Ó Cúirneán (The Irish of Iorras Aithneach County Galway). Collectively (and individually) I would say their studies represent a significantly larger sample space than the "I haven't heard it" and I can't see any real reason for any of them to "make it up" either. :dhera:

If you haven't heard the t already, perhaps it was there and you just weren't tuned in to it. Or perhaps it is another native habit that the school system has managed to beat out of younger speakers? :dhera:

Try listening for it outside an Ceathrú Rua next time you have a chance to talk to an older speaker from Carna, say.

's fada liom. :prof:

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2996

I think the heatwave is making Breandán cantalach. :LOL:

Breandán · **Posted:** Tue 08 Jan 2013 7:22 pm

I've never had much patience with people who say or imply "nobody says that" based on a very limited sample space, especially when I've seen or heard something myself. :rolleyes:

Usually it's someone from outside the region telling me some phrase or grammar is wrong when I've gotten it straight from the horse's mouth.

There's always more to a language than the little subset of it we may have encountered personally.

And yes, in case you haven't guessed, such statements as "I've never heard ..." are a pet peeve of mine. :LOL:

Seaghan · **Joined:** Tue 06 Sep 2011 12:09 pm **Posts:** 118

Bríd Mhór wrote:

I think the heatwave is making Breandán cantalach. :LOL:

Is dóigh liom go bhfuil, nó an iomarca :guiness:

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