New to Irish here. Anyhow, is the following one way of translating "I want to study with him tomorrow." into Irish? Perhaps there are more natural ways of saying it and if there are, could you provide a few? Btw, I am grabbing this sentence pattern from "Spoken World Irish" by Living Language. They are giving the patterns a) COPULA + MIAN + LE + VERBAL NOUN and b) COPULA + MIAN + LE + NOUN + A + VERBAL NOUN LENITED IF POSSIBLE.

Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh ar amárach leis.

Also, should the preposition "ar" be dropped from this since the actual subject of study isn't mentioned and what about the placement of "leis"? I can never figure out if the adverb of time should come before or after this. Thanks in advance. Much appreciated.

I would remove 'ar' as you suggested yourself which leaves you with 'Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh amárach leis.' I believe you can also say it with 'leis' before 'amárach' as in 'Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach.' The grammar dudes will be along shortly to explain the whys and why nots behind it all!

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Is mian + liom + verbal noun + adverbs (when there's no object)

Is mian + liom + object + a + verbal noun + adverbs

Is mian liom ghabháil 'na' bhaile amárach = I want to go home tomorrow

Is mian liom cáca a ithe anocht = I want to eat cake tonight.

Is mian liom staidéar a dhéanamh air = I want to study it. (to make study on it).

are there other questions?

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Ba mhian liom staidéar leis amárach.

The present tense of the copula cannot be used here with the word "amárach".

something is missing there, I don't think you can use "staidéar" without "...a dhéanamh" or "bheith ag...".
Btw, "is" is both present and future, so you can use it with amárach.
If you say "Ba mhian liom staidéar a dhéanamh leis amárach" it means "I would like to study with him tomorrow".

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No, there is nothing missing there. Anything extra is not really required.

Ba mhaith liom léamh leis amárach. I want to read with him tmrw.
Ba mhaith liom imirt leis amárach. I want to play with him tmrw.
Ba mhaith liom seinnt leis amárach. I want to play (music) with him tmrw.

The present and future tenses in Irish and English don't always translate intent exactly the same.
I would never say " Is mian liom "x" a dhéanamh amárach" it sounds impossible like " Tá sé fear"


For example one cannot say" An maith leat dul amach amárach?" meaning "will you like to go out tmrw?"...one has to say" ar mhaith leat dul amach amárach?"...Ba mhaith liom....I don't know why the tenses work like this, but they do. Also, nothing extra is required for the above sentence. Rossaí

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but staidéar is not really a verbal noun (it doesn't correspond to any verb). So it's different.



but tá sé fear is wrong. Is mian liom... a dhéanamh amárach is not.




it's completely different. "Will you like" itself sounds odd to me, as if you like doing something tomorrow but not on another day. Is maith liom is simply "I like". You wouldn't say "I will like", maybe I'm wrong but even in English it sounds odd. It's as if you know in advance what you will like the other day that you don't like now...
And "ar mhaith leat" is conditional, and it means you're asking what someone wants to do. "Ba mhaith liom" and "is maith liom" aren't really 2 tenses of the same meaning, the first one is about wanting and the second about liking.
With "mian", with both "ba" and "is" it's about wanting. So "maith" and "mian" can't be compared here.



but that's your opinion.

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Hi,

I don't think the English translations help here – they're a little limiting.



I don't think it's so simple, Lughaidh – in the Donegal Gaeltacht (at least) is maith liom can also mean 'I want' or 'I'm glad', amongst other things.

m.sh. Is maith liom tú cuidiú liom leis an obair sin.

I'm not sure but this might only be used to evoke a 'want' in the present.

Having said that, I agree that is mian liom rud inteacht a dhéanamh amárach is probably ok (I'm not presenting myself as an expert but it sounds right to me).

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Is maith liom and is mian liom might sometimes carry the same meaning but when you isolate the adjectives, maith and mian, they clearly mean different things, and therefore, as Lughaidh implies, can't really be compared like as like.

For me, when is maith liom means 'I want', it's an idiomatic usage that evokes immediacy, like the example above. Mian means desire, and desire always implies the future in some way, so is mian liom rud inteacht a dhéanamh amárach makes sense and is certainly to be heard, in the Donegal Gaeltacht at least. I think I would use tá mé ag iarraidh, however.

I hope I made sense!

Domhnall

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